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AUBURN, WASHINGTON MONDAY J,UNE 9, 1980
The continued meeting of the City of Auburn Council convened at 8:00 p.m. in the City of
Auburn Council Chambers.
ROLL CALL
COUNCILMEMBERS: Councilmembers Roegner, Craig, Hitchcock, Flechsig and Lea
present. Councilmembers Kitchell and Larson excused.
STAFF: Mayor Stan Kersey; Jack Bereiter, City Attorney; Len Chapman,
Parks and Recreation Director; Jim Gibson, Police Chief;
Coralee McConnehey, City Clerk; Pat Nevins, Public Works
Director; George Schuler, Planning & Community Development
Director.
Mayor Kersey noted this continued meeting was for the purpose of a continued public hearing
on the Citizens' Land Use Committee recommended changes to the Comprehensive Land Use
Plan.
Two letters were entered into the record. One from E. Clifford Webb, member of the
Citizens' Advisory Committee, urging the Council to accept the recommendations of the
Committee as the wishes of the majority of the hone owners and citizens of Auburn.
The other letter from Abacus Marketing Associates, Inc., opposed the adoption of any
change in the Land Use Plan that would penalize their planned relocation of Mill Creek
in a planned development of their property.
David Millard, Land Planning and Management, 22627 152nd S.E., Kent, addressed Item No. 1.
He stated they felt a parkway, heavily landscaped, with cluster housing would provide the
separate identity from Kent in a more feasible way. They thought the 5-acre large lot
plan was not feasible because land in the valley was at a premium and these large lots
would be poor planning, the Wembley Properties was approximately 3/4 miles away from the
proposed King County Park, it doesn't control growth, large lots would not be as aesthetics
Pleasing, think property would not perc, would cost around $125,000 and there would be
eight times the tax resulting from suggested cluster development.
Phillip Rogers, Community Builders, 1611 116th Ave. N.E., Bellevue, spoke about the Mill
Creek proposal. He felt generally people buy property based on past comprehensive plans
and asked the Council to bear in mind when they consider the recommendations. He Pointed
out the 58 acres they own already had 9 acres reserved for the P-4 channel and if the
Mill Creek proposal were approved it would mean an additional 6 acres leaving 48 usable
acres. He said they felt it is a loss of value and poor use of land resources when the
same thing could be accomplished on a case -by -case basis. He stated the 250 foot wide
belt was arbitrary, wasteful and unduly penalized existing property owners. He added
they agreed with the Planning Commission recommendation to accept concept and they suggest
proposal be redrafted with (1) case -by -case review, (2) more practical and economical
construction guidelines and (3) remove the requirement of creating public amenity as
none now exists.
Ken Balduff, 410 Western St. N.W., noted the Committee was comprised of citizens selected
from the community. He felt the Comprehensive Plan was due to be updated as no one could
tell in 1968 when the original plan was adopted what the future would bring. He said he
considered the Committee recommendations as minimum recommendations and that the needs
of the city must be addressed. He noted the concept of planning a city with a central
area of high density and fanning out to lower density has acceptance of state planning
agencies as well as does the 200 foot set back. He said the Rainier Audubon Society and
the Citizens for Rezone were concerned about the future of Auburn and wondered if current
planning would provide an environment for the youth of today to enjoy the
City of Auburn for the next 30 to 40 years. He presented a petition supporting the recom-
mendations of the Advisory Committee and supported residential atmosphere instead of a
Tukwila industrihl atmosphere. He asked if the Council was not in favor of the Land
Use Committee's recommendations, to give them more time for citizen input.
Ralph Anderson, 14460 S.E. 368th Place, expressed concern about growth in Auburn and stated
the City needed controlled or guided growth. He noted the Advisory Committee used 525
responses for their survey which he.felt was roughly ten:percent of the families represented.
He said his area had not been surveyed. He noted that the concept in Item No. 1 should
be consistent on th east, west and south and have a buffer zone all around the City.
He also noted Federal and State encouragement to grow because of energy conservation,
preservation of agarian lands and effective mass transit. He stated buffer zones had
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failed in other cities. He felt the only way to maintain city identity was to have a
strong nucleus, a good flow of traffic into that nucleus and good parking. Anderson
recommended support of main nucleus by having light commercial zoning in the area which
Item No. 11 of the Land Use Committee recommendations would deny. He said the area
covered in Item No. 11 is prime land and he would like the right to develop. If he
was denied the right to develop it he would be unable to find a buyer and it would become
useless to the City. Developed it would bring multiple tax payers.
Tom Barghausen, Cavness Engineers, representing several clients, spoke about Items No. 11
and 12. He expressed concern with the Mill Creek proposal and the cumulative effect of
the regulations and other requirements. He felt the concept good, however, it wasn't
being implemented with any degree of reasonableness. He said owners of the property were
already being impacted by substantial fill and grade requirements to bring it above flood
zone, a P-4 channel requirements, major L.I.D.'s, improvements in widening of the West
Valley Highway in addition to all the normal development costs. He stated the P-4 require-
ments alone would cost the owners a 16.4 percent loss of useable land. Another 8 acres
would bring it up to 30% loss. Barghausen added the study was meant as a guide and to
actually put it into effect would be extremely expensive. He urged the Council to pass
legislation which provides the preservation and protection of the Mill Creek environment yet
allow each individual property owner to arrive at his own compromise proposal. He
presented a proposal which they felt showed how a compromise proposal could be arrived at
in an economically and practically feasible manner. Mr. Barghausen addressed the
Land Use Committee's recommendation to remove commercial and some multi -family zoning
south of the Stuck River. He stated the area represented some 2000 acres with a potential
of 2500 - 3000 residential units and the everyday needs of the residents must be provided
near their homes. He felt the reasons behind the 1968 Comprehensive Land Use Plan
haven't been changed. Traffic problems and energy consumption would be increased significantly
by removal of the commercial areas. He felt the reasons stated by the Advisory Committee
are misrepresentative because (1) removal of commercial zoning would not control growth -
it would increase problems, (2) Item 18 asking where citizens would prefer new retail
shopping received 31% saying downtown and 68% wanted regional shopping center, along
major streets or in small neighborhood shopping centers (3) removal of commercial would
not control traffic on Oravetz Road into Lake Tapps area because people would have to '
go further. His final statement was the phase concept was definitely outdated and urged
the Council to reject it and specifically retain the commercial areas.
Roland Crabtree, 205 S.W. 177th, Seattle, owner and developer of the Lakeland Hills property,
spoke on Items No. 8 and 10. He stated they had planned parks, golf courses, family
residental, commercial to provide housing needs, entertainment , shopping and some
employment needs of families in southeast Auburn. He said planning for water system,
drainage, traffic, sewers and storm drainage has had extensive study and permits and
improvements as required by City and State agencies are being worked on. He noted the
improvements made to the Stuck River and that drainage planswould provide for most of
the water being retained on the property with very little entering the Stuck River.
He recommended following the Planning Department's recommendations on Items 8 and 10 as
they would like to be free to continue to develop. He also added he didn't feel another
200 foot setback would help the condition of the river.
Charles Detsen, 162753 N.E. 85th, Redmond, attorney for Roland Crabtree, asked what would
be measured as the 200 foot setback? He wondered if it would include the dike or just
the thread of the stream? He also asked who owns the Stuck River channel? Detsen stated
the title company and himself believe Mr. Crabtree owns the channel since it is not a
navigable stream, the survey done in the 1800's had no meander line and the Parker Home-
stead plat recorded in King County in 1891 shows the Stuck River running through lots
1 through 20.
Eva Jerry, elder member of the Muckleshoot Indian Tribe, spoke asking to leave the rivers,
trees and land as Mother Nature left it. She said she felt God set the Indians in this
country and they were the first ones who lived here. Now there is no land left even on
the reservation - just homes. She said she would like to see some of their Indian doings
and they way they used to live come back.
Dora Mae Crabtree, 205 S.W. 177th, Seattle, stated they felt that God had also led the
whiteman to this land and that you couldn't stand still in this City or it would go back-
wards. She stated we had to learn to get along together and to do this we have to accept
one another's ways not say this is my way and this is your way and it cannot be any other
way. Mrs. Crabtree said she knew the development would add to the City.
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Mildred Stewart, 4516 Auburn Way North, said she was a real old timer and could remember
when the walks were wood and the population was 1100 people. She thought Auburn turned
out really beautifully and she was really proud of it. She stated she felt nothing stands
still everything moves on.
Charolette Williams, P. 0. Box 932, representing the Muckleshoot Indian Tribe at 39015
172nd Avenue S.E., had been asked by the Tribal attorney and the Chairman of the Tribal
Planning Commission, Donna Starr, to make a statement for the Muckleshoot Indian Tribe.
She stated a large portion of the land encompassed by the Advisory Committee's proposed
Comprehensive Plan changes Nos. 5, 6 and 8 lie within the Muckleshoot Reservation. The
Muckleshoot Indian Tribe generally supported the Committee's efforts to control growth in
Auburn and commended the Committee's proposed 200 foot setback to provide a natural area
along the banks of the White, Stuck and Green Rivers. She added the Tribe believed the
proposed plan was an improvement but that in its present form the City continued to
fail to recognize the existence of the reservation and Tribe as a separate community.
She said the Tribe had adopted zoning laws aimed at preserving the reservation as an
area separate from the City where reservation residents have the opportunity to pursue
a way of life dependent on the land and its resources and to maintain Indian culture and
CO identity. The goals, however, have not been consistent with past City planning for the
development of southeast Auburn in a manner indistinquishable from the remainder of the
City. They felt the City should revised their plan to retain existing agricultural and
forest land on the Enumclaw plateau and added the Enumclaw plateau was physically separated
0 from the remainder of Auburn and its edge which roughly coincided with "R" and the western
Q boundary of the reservation and would be a logical boundary for urban development by the
Q City. This would make the City's Comprehensive plan consistent with the Tribal, County
goals and the wishes of those citizens surveyed. She asked the City to amend the Comprehen-
sive Plan to recognize the Tribe's unique interest in reservation land use and adopt a
policy similar to that adopted by King County deferring to Tribal regulation of land
development within the reservation.
Sharon Steiner, 2712 Pike St. S.E., president if the Rainier Audubon Society, spoke in
favor of all of the Land Use Committee's proposals. She noted the Kent City Planning
Department had approved a 200 foot setback along the Green River and studying the possibilit
' of a 1000 foot special interest corridor. She also pointed out in her travels along the
river there were parts there was no public access and at times she felt she was in someone's
back yard. She stated comments on Item No. 1 that it would affect only 207 of the border
did not note this area is along Auburn Way North which had quite an visual impact. She
said she felt the five acre lots would not be unsitely because it was pasture land. She
urged the Council to make the City as beautiful as possible to live and walk and jog for
the people who were here.
David Millard, L.P.M., added to his previous comments and spoke about Items No. 2 and 8.
He said they were not against the setback but they would like to see a setback that would
be practical from the standpoint of development. He suggested 50 to 100 foot setback
unless the developer is not going to develop it then it should be wider. He corrected
Sharon Steiner's report the City of Kent had passed a 200 foot setback in that only the
Planning Commission had recommended it. Millard presented some slides to the Council
to illustrate the fexibility of the set back as they would like to see in Auburn.
He noted Item No. 10 which would eliminate commercial and multi_family zoning in southeast
Auburn was a total of about 2000 acres and multi -family would comprise only about 10% of
it.
Jim Hudson, 451 S.W. loth, Renton, Wembly Enterprises, addressed Item No. 1. He asked
where the 200 foot setback comes from. He wondered if there were some written guidelines
or legislative statutory reqirements. He stated they were not opposed to the 200 foot
setback except the County owns a 150 foot strip which apparently the County thought was
enough. He said they concurred with the Planning staff to deny the G-5 zone. They
also felt if the 120 foot wide corridor was imposed on them then it should likewise be
imposed on property owners on the south side of S. 277th. He corrected Sharon Steiner
from the Audubon Society in that the Wembly property is located a half -mile east of Auburn
Way North and the intersection of S. 277th and was in fact blocked from view by the
four outdoor theater screens there now.
Ruth Pletcher, 2710 Forest Ridge Drive, member of the Citizens Land Use Committee, spoke
for the Committee. She stated while the survey had been called inadequate many developers
were using it to uphold statistics for their points of view. The statement which had
been made 60% of the people surveyed favor increased population, she felt, had been "bent"
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to suit someone else's purpose. She said the actual statistic showed 56% of the people
polled indicated some increased population. She pointed out that 60% of that figure
favored the increase at a slower rate and only 3% asked that the City increase the
population at a faster rate while 17% said keep it the same as it is now. She noted
also the greatest number responding to the question of'lhad the City become more or less
desirable to live in in the past five years`was 36% as undesirable. Ms. Flecher noted
the survey was done at the beginning of their work and the number surveyed was no less
than you would find in a Neilson rating. The fact that there was a survey was published
in the newspaper, on the radio, people were in several shopping centers two Saturdays
in a roll. She said they felt the survey certainly indicated some of the desires of
the citizens in the community. She stated the question regarding 5 acre lots costing
too much raised by Mr. Wensley could be answered by noting there are people in the
City of Auburn who own and can afford 5 acre lots and the responsibility of the Committee
was to provide land for more than just middle class people. She responded to Mr. Wensley's
statement he felt there shouldn't be single family dwelling along the super highway stating
his Proposal for multi -family wouldn't make it any safer for children. She said she
agreed with Mr. Wensley's philosophy that the land owner has the right to develop his
land as he pleased but it is not always pertinent. She also responded to the statement
the phase development is inadequate with our population growth today stating this was
precisely what the Committee was trying to ward off because of the surveys they have
done the people in the community indicated this is what they do not want. She said in
their survey 63% favored forest lands not being developed for housing or industry. Also,
the survey indicated 73% favored using greenbelts to separate homes and industry and
support wildlife. 61% favored retaining Auburn's community identity by open space and
low density buffer zones. She wondered if some of the statements presented were meant
to benefit the community or the developer? She noted also the 200 foot setback was taken
from the Shoreline Management Act. In closing Ms. Fletcher noted the Committee did not
represent a developer or real estate interest but did represent the 'citizens of Auburn.
Trip Hart, 606 4th S.E., reiterated the comments of Mike Reynolds stating the Advisory
Committee was striving for the livability of Auburn and the efficient use of Auburn's
resources. He addressed four comments made by Mr. Wensley (1) it was unamerican to tell
the land owner what to do, (2) 60% wanted Auburn to grow, (3) his land won't perc and
(4) if Council did pass the recommendations of the Advisory Committee they would be
taking the shirt off his daughter. He noted the developers had said they were not against
the recommendations of the Advisory Committee but when applied to their particular property
they express concern at the cumulative effect. Hart wondered if reference to possible
losses meant expense loss or just lessening of profit? He asked the Council to consider
submitting the question to the developers what their profit under one proposal was compared
to another proposal. He added undeveloped property is not necessarily a loss as it
could add to the beauty of the community. He wondered if it was really known if Wensley's
land did perc. Hart stated the actual survey indicated most of the people wanted controlled
growth and this is what the Advisory Committee was asking and this was an opportunity to
look at the community as a whole in the organized package the Committee had presented.
He said he felt the Council should not feel bound by the 200 foot setback and should feel
it could go more if it wanted. He asked the Council be consistent and stated he felt it
was the Council's duty to make the appropriate changes in the Comprehensive Plan so it
can grow with the City.
Jim Hudson, added to his comments previously noting a lot of people have been talking
in Mr. Wensley's behalf without him actually being there. He said they did not concur
with the statements they did not have concern with aesthetics or that under the proper
circumstances the City should take or do more but not less on the setbacks. He said
they felt a flexible plan on setbacks tied with a percentage of a person's ownership
along the riverfront would be a more equitable test.
It was moved by Craig, seconded by Hitchcock that the public hearing be closed.
MOTION CARRIED
It was moved by Hitchcock, seconded by Craig, to table discussion of the Citizen's Land
Use Committee's recommended changes to the Comprehensive Land Use Plan until the next
regular Council meeting of June 16, 1980.
MOTION CARRIED
There being no further business to come before the Council the meeting adjourned at
10:30 p.m.
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